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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/16/2012 :  2:42:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit JamesNT's Homepage  Click to see JamesNT's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
And I already have a couple of posts.

www.jamessummerlin.com

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Posted - 06/16/2012 :  2:51:45 PM  Show Profile  Click to see wkasdo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
> 4.If you are in a small environment (e.g. 5 or fewer host operating systems), do not join the host to the domain.

I'm biased. I do AD for a living. But still... what's the problem? Isn't common management, patching, ISO sharing and whatever not much easier with all hosts domain joined? And unless I'm much mistaken, Hyper-v 2012 is going to require it for some of the new features.

Make it as simple as you can, but not simpler -- Albert Einstein
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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/16/2012 :  2:56:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit JamesNT's Homepage  Click to see JamesNT's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The problem is that you have to have a physical machine just for a domain controller which, in my opinion, is a waste of money. I realize that Virtual PC guy alleviated much of that concern with his blog post here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2008/11/24/the-domain-controller-dilemma.aspx

However, I'm of the opinion this just isn't worth it for small environments.

I cannot speak for Windows Server 2012. I should probably point that out.

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Posted - 06/16/2012 :  3:01:30 PM  Show Profile  Click to see wkasdo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
> The problem is that you have to have a physical machine just for a domain controller which

Ah. I see your point, you may have some minor problems with startup scripts etc. Otoh, I've been running my DC virtualized for years with no major problems. This domain is dedicated for managing the Hyper-V environment.


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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/16/2012 :  3:42:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit JamesNT's Homepage  Click to see JamesNT's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
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Otoh, I've been running my DC virtualized for years with no major problems. This domain is dedicated for managing the Hyper-V environment.



So do you have two domains? One for production and one just for the Hyper-V hosts? Also, keep in mind my recommendation is for 5 or fewer hosts. Once you get above five, I start seeing things the other way pretty quickly (i.e. making the hosts domain members and having a physical domain controller).

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Posted - 06/17/2012 :  02:12:09 AM  Show Profile  Visit wobble_wobble's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for wobble_wobble  Reply with Quote
James,

For 2 or more hosts I would put in a seperate domain for the hosts.
Simple reason - conficker.

I spent 3 weeks cleaning a site with 23 production guests, and the only reason the hosts were safe was because they were in a different domain. On the worst day we had over 600 server reboots.
If someone has 5 hosts, an extra 2 guests will not be noticed.

Joe

After everything that has happened during the month of Jan 07, I do believe that pigs fly backwards!

http://whatismyv6.com/

Edited by - wobble_wobble on 06/17/2012 02:13:17 AM
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Posted - 06/17/2012 :  02:19:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit wobble_wobble's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for wobble_wobble  Reply with Quote
Oh and congrats on getting off your butt.

Did that PT throw you about enough?

Joe

After everything that has happened during the month of Jan 07, I do believe that pigs fly backwards!

http://whatismyv6.com/
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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/17/2012 :  4:01:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit JamesNT's Homepage  Click to see JamesNT's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Joe,

Keep in mind that while I agree with your observations, I am looking at this from the standpoint of a small business where one or two physical servers may be all they have.

And yes, she through me around quite a bit.

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