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joe_elway
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Posted - 09/07/2011 :  2:16:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit joe_elway's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Finally, the excellent VMware Workstation has some real competition: http://www.aidanfinn.com/?p=11536

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Posted - 09/07/2011 :  3:15:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit DennisMCSE's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for DennisMCSE  Reply with Quote
Very cool!!


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Posted - 09/07/2011 :  4:36:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is go time. Things are getting interesting now. Microsoft should have started with a good workstation solution like vmware did with workstation and used those lessons learned to add into the enterprise app. I'm surprised they didn't take that route, it was practically there when they acquired the connectix virtual pc and virtual server ions ago. would you believe its been 8 years already? Man, I can still remember using it on the macs like it was yesterday...
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  07:19:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit joe_elway's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Build is going to be very, very cool. Imagine what MSFT are holding back if they are releasing this info now. I'll be blogging as much as I can from there.

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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  10:48:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aidan-

Here's question for you, if you know (figured since you are in the guts of this everyday). Currently and going forward, what will the interoperability be between 64 bit OS support and 32 bit OS support for both guest and host in either MS's offerings or VMware? I discovered recently that VMware workstation does not like to run a 64 bit OS VM on 32 bit host OS. I guess I should have figured on that, but I thought that the whole point of virtualization was to break dependendancy/linkage to specific hardware. However, it would appear that to run a 64 bit VM of a MS OS, the underlying hardware and guest OS need to be/support 64 bit OS's (can't be done if the host hardware or OS is 32 bit).

In my particular scenario I was trying to run an x64 XP VM on a 32 bit version of XP in VMware wilst migrating from x64 XP to 64 bit Windows 7 (which I like much better). VMware didn't like that, and refused to run the VM (probably because the host was running on 32 bit hardware as well).

Later,

Jim

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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  11:02:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jadgate

Aidan-

Here's question for you, if you know (figured since you are in the guts of this everyday). Currently and going forward, what will the interoperability be between 64 bit OS support and 32 bit OS support for both guest and host in either MS's offerings or VMware? I discovered recently that VMware workstation does not like to run a 64 bit OS VM on 32 bit host OS. I guess I should have figured on that, but I thought that the whole point of virtualization was to break dependendancy/linkage to specific hardware. However, it would appear that to run a 64 bit VM of a MS OS, the underlying hardware and guest OS need to be/support 64 bit OS's (can't be done if the host hardware or OS is 32 bit).

In my particular scenario I was trying to run an x64 XP VM on a 32 bit version of XP in VMware wilst migrating from x64 XP to 64 bit Windows 7 (which I like much better). VMware didn't like that, and refused to run the VM (probably because the host was running on 32 bit hardware as well).

Later,

Jim



Great question.
I believe vmware workstation 6.5 or higher can do what you are looking to do but you need intel vt or amd virtual chip set enabled on the proc.

processor check tool from vmware is located here.
http://downloads.vmware.com/d/details/processor_check_5_5_dt/dCpiQGhkYmRAZQ==

Aidan will have to chime in on the MSFT side. I have to say I am looking forward to seeing MSFT new virtual workstation product. Good stuff Mr.Finn and we all know you will keep in coming.


Edited by - jaxdave on 09/08/2011 11:04:24 AM
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  11:31:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit joe_elway's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Windows 8 Client Hyper-V will support 32-bit and 64-bit guests. I suspect it will support whatever Server "2012" (my name guess) Hyper-V supports ... including Windows and Linux. It's going to support 32 virtual processors and 512 GB RAM in a VM ... and that's the client Hyper-V!!!!

Note that the client will require SLAT in the CPU - Intel EPT or AMD NPT. Those are failr recent CPUs ... Intel Nehalem/Westmere, etc.

The question remains ... which editions of Client will have Hyper-V as a feature. I guess Marketing will decide that. I reckon Pro and higher ... but after Windows 7 it wouldn't surprise me to see it in only Ultimate and Enterprise.

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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  11:33:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit JSCLMEDAVE's Homepage  Click to see JSCLMEDAVE's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by joe_elway

I reckon Pro and higher ... but after Windows 7 it wouldn't surprise me to see it in only Ultimate and Enterprise.



I sure hope not. AppLocker not being in Pro was a mistake as was not having the Backup to DVD in Home.

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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  11:42:41 AM  Show Profile  Click to see wkasdo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
> 64 bit OS support and 32 bit OS support for both guest and host in either MS's offerings or VMware?

Since Hyper-V only runs on a x64 OS now, I bet it will be the same with Win8. Meaning, Hyper-v will only be available on the x64 editions of the win8 client, and will run both x86 and x64 guests. My guess, anyway.

Make it as simple as you can, but not simpler -- Albert Einstein
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Curt
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  12:48:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit Curt's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm still impressed with the upcoming features.

A client of mine just came back from the VMWARE conference in VEGAS and I wonder how much buzz there was about this.

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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  3:59:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Curt

I'm still impressed with the upcoming features.

A client of mine just came back from the VMWARE conference in VEGAS and I wonder how much buzz there was about this.




I was at vmworld. Trust me when I say nobody was thinking about Windows 8 Hyper-V etc while there. 20 plus thousand of them power drinking vmware kool aid.
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Curt
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  4:19:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit Curt's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sounds like another "We hate Microsoft" but if Microsoft did not exist we would not be in business, kind of thing.

There were plenty of Unix and Linux machines out when VMWARE only ran on Linux and Unix. Did it take off then?

Nope.............. No one was interested.

It was when they made an windows version that it took off.

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jaxdave
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Posted - 09/08/2011 :  4:48:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Curt

Sounds like another "We hate Microsoft" but if Microsoft did not exist we would not be in business, kind of thing.

There were plenty of Unix and Linux machines out when VMWARE only ran on Linux and Unix. Did it take off then?

Nope.............. No one was interested.

It was when they made an windows version that it took off.




Was simply stating nobody was discussing Microsoft at all either way. Like I said , I am anxiously awaiting more on windows 8 etc from Mr Finn. I think it is going to be awesome.
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Posted - 09/09/2011 :  1:44:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit wobble_wobble's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for wobble_wobble  Reply with Quote
Re-asking in case I missed the answer, but can VMware Workstation run a 64Bit guest on a 32bit OS?

But I don't think it can.


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quote:
Originally posted by wobble_wobble

Re-asking in case I missed the answer, but can VMware Workstation run a 64Bit guest on a 32bit OS?

But I don't think it can.





yes it can but you need the hardware virtualization in your chipset. And workstation has to be 6.5 or greater.

The key is that your hardware is 64 bit and can run the proper extensions.

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jadgate
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Posted - 09/09/2011 :  4:02:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Joe-

That was my experience - you can't run a 64 bit OS (guest) on a 32 bit OS host, at least in VMware. I'm not sure if that's a hardware issue (presumably, anything running a 32 bit OS would not have 64 OS hardware support, although I would assume that 64 bit capable hardware could run 32 bit OS's (wouldn't it have to for backward compatability?). While I'm sure that there instances where applications designed for a 32 bit OS will not run inside a 64 bit OS, I would assume a lot of it will, again because if that were not the case, it would seriously crimp the adoption of 64 bit hardware and OSs.

In my particular situation I had done a PTV conversion of X64 XP Windows running on 1st or 2nd gen X64 hardware (AMD Socket 939) to a VMware VM. Tried to run it on 32 bit XP OS running on Intel dual core processor (laptop) that's about 3 years old. The laptop is not capable of running a 64 bit OS AFAIK. It could just be X64 XP as well. While I thought it was more stable than 32 bit XP, there were always nagging driver support issues with it, and it was treated like the red-headed stepchild in terms of hardware support, once Vista went into RTM. I'm much happier with 64 bit Windows 7 - I installed it about 6 months ago on the same hardware running the X64 XP and everything JUST WORKED. Drivers were readily available and for the most part, work - even for things like wireless NICs.

I am thinking about retiring the old Socket 939 hardware (mb). However, it has a dual core Opteron, and it still works well after 5 years - the only issue is that I'm limited to 3 gigs of RAM because Windows 7 has "reserved" a gig of memory to viddy and I haven't figured out a way to change that. I price shopped newer Opterons recently and they seem like overkill and not worth the money - I don't need 6 or 8 cores to run a workstation.

Later,

Jim

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I was impressed with the number of processors and amount of RAM being supported "And (“you can also create large VMs with 32 processors and 512GB RAM”) making the performance of virtualized servers much better for higher load application. I was impress with the abiltity to hot swap the drives (“With this, you could move the VM’s storage from one local drive to another, to a USB stick, or to a remote file share without needing to stop your VM”.).

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Posted - 09/15/2011 :  10:34:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit joe_elway's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've gotten it working on the Build Slate PC. Pretty nice.

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Posted - 09/18/2011 :  3:40:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mark Minasi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
To Aidan's comment, remember that Hyper V is a SERVER virtual tool, and so lacks things like drag and dro.

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