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Michael
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 Posted - 01/04/2011 : 12:32:40 PM
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In the past I used the software that shipped with the APC Smart-UPS batteries. Then it got to where the software had too much extras, so I moved to the MS options to shutdown the server in an orderly manner. Now I do not see anything in the Power settings to use and research tells me MS removed it? am I stuck with going back to the APC software? any suggestions?
I did find if I use the USB cable ( I had serial connected) it will give me options to work with and I can select a shutdown at low or critical battery. Is this the best work around?
Thanks,
Michael
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anthony
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 2:21:34 PM
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In Server 2008 M$ has removed that "feature"... I love when they do that.
I REALLY REALLY HATE the APC Software. What a load of crap it is. I installed it once on a server, and it could not see the UPS that I had plugged in and it kept shutting the server down because it thought since it could not see the UPS the power must be out... it was a great little circle jerk to get it un-installed.
I have considered using a different brand of backup battery because the software sucks so much... I would be open to any suggestions. |
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Mark Minasi
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 3:27:25 PM
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| That, and the fact that it makes you use Java. Ugh! |
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 01/04/2011 : 3:58:58 PM
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EATON with a SNMP card, then use the mgmt suite of choice, not necessarily on the server standing closest to the UPS.
EDIT: Or, if budget allows, APC with a SNMP card and use mgmt suite of choice, but it will get pricey fast. |
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jadgate
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 11:05:57 AM
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I too would love to find another UPS software solution.
Another lovely thing with APC stuff is there is a known conflict between APC's software and VMware, as well as the fact that their software never supported 64 bit Windows XP (its only been six years on the market now). The APC software will detect the VMware software and demand that you remove it. AFAIK, there hasn't been a fix to this (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong). So if you are in a virtualized environment, what brand UPS are you supposed to use?
Later,
Jim |
James Adgate, CISSP
IT Auditor and Compliance Specialist
Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
IT Security Policy and Risk Mitigation for Enterprises
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anthony
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 3:43:29 PM
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Michael
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 4:43:56 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Sounds like I am not alone about the APC software. This being a small business and 1 server I think I will stay with the USB cable and Power Settings (same as if it were a laptop)that were available when I plugged it in.
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 5:04:40 PM
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Originally posted by jadgate
... as well as the fact that their software never supported 64 bit Windows XP (its only been six years on the market now).
This doc appears to state otherwise: http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/ASTE-6Z5QEV_R24_EN.pdf
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The APC software will detect the VMware software and demand that you remove it. AFAIK, there hasn't been a fix to this (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong).
Network Shutdown will install and run on VMs and hosts (except ESXi) as long as you can live with JRE. The MIBs are OS agnostic and can be used with whatever SNMP-aware monitoring you have in place.
I have just installed all three components of PowerChute Business 9.0 in a Server 2003 R2 32-Bit VM running on vSphere 4.0 with VMWare tools installed. I could connect to the server and the server would see the agent but of course not add it as there wasn't a UPS attached.
So Jim, I have either misunderstood your post completely or... I'm happy to make you happy on all points - except Java, of course...
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So if you are in a virtualized environment, what brand UPS are you supposed to use?
APC or EATON or MGE... all have SNMP comms and some kind of software to shutdown guests and hosts. Applications are another story but if you have other automation tools already in place it is usually possible to integrate power mgmt with those, |
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jadgate
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 09:19:06 AM
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Evgenij-
Thanks for the references. I was referring to the "Personal Edition" version of the APC software - believe me, it has never supported x64 windows, and although it may claim to support 64bit Vista and Windows 7, it never will, as that version quickly became the red-headed stepchild of Windows OS's in terms of driver and application support - the poor orphan. This is puzzling, as it essentially is Windows server 2003 code base, as I understand it. PE also has the conflict with VMware workstation as well, which they never fixed and AFAIK, you can't "upgrade" your way out of it. I'm glad that they finally got their act together with the enterprise versions of their software, but IMHO, their support sucks.
I just replaced the battery on my Smart unit at home so I'll be keeping the hardware for at least another couple of years, but I'm still looking for another software package that is hardware agnostic - I've tried some open source packages but they didn't seem to offer much beyond monitoring and detection of hardware.
I've heard good things about Falcon UPSs, but nothing about their software, so when it comes time to replace it, I'll take a look at them.
Later,
Jim
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 4:05:04 PM
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Originally posted by jadgate
I was referring to the "Personal Edition" version of the APC software
Oh, I see. I didn't think someone would still be using it. Back in the day, Business Edition was pure crap and the Personal a decent product but then at least the former changed so businesses moved to that and I basically forgot about PE...
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I've heard good things about Falcon UPSs, but nothing about their software, so when it comes time to replace it, I'll take a look at them.
For software, they use UPSilon 2000 from http://www.megatec.com.tw/, last updated 2004 and nothing later than XP is on the compatibility list. Doesn't look like it would be using Java or any other weird stuff.
BTW: Have you looked at http://www.networkupstools.org ? |
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pct
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Posted - 12/28/2011 : 03:14:03 AM
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Which UPS to choose?
Please forgive me digging up this old thread, guys - but somehow my question seems to be related to the previous discussion:
I have a few rack servers, a small Intel Modular Server w/ 6 "blades" and a 7-HDD NAS and an Dual-CPU Westermere QCore server - together about 1,8-2,0 kW @ normal load that uregently need a new UPS. Would you prefer an
EATON 5PX 2200I RT2HE http://pdfs.icecat.biz/pdf/30128888-7711.pdf (~550 EUR) or
two APCs Smart-UPS 1000 (about 2 x 250) EUR? in an ESXi 4.1.0 / 5.0 envirnonment, and do I need the SNMP card for the EATON too?
What would be the best way (software) of configuring the shutdown?
Any comments are - as always - greatly appreciated!
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Die PC Techniker GmbH
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“All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can’t get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer.”
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