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Pesos
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 Posted - 11/05/2010 : 2:18:49 PM
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Yeah , the device is in the users hands and they want to use it.
Given that you often see another server provisioned for BES it adds overhead. Also the SQL cost. Still , I have the feeling that they will be around for awhile.
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Curt Spanburgh
Microsoft Certified Business Solution Specialist.
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Contributing Editor, Windows IT Pro
He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.
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Pesos
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 2:29:30 PM
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| Sure, they will ride their installed base for years to come, just like they have been the last year or two. But I think the writing is on the wall if things continue on the way they have been. The crackberries just aren't compelling enough anymore. |
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Curt
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 2:44:44 PM
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Glad I only messed with it a bit.
One deployment only.
It was hot for awhile because Ten digits supported RIM and Microsoft seemed to go along with it.
I did not like the idea.
Ten Digits did a 3rd party app for CRM 3.0 that allowed access to CRM on premise 3.0 to be used on a Crackberry.
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Curt Spanburgh
Microsoft Certified Business Solution Specialist.
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Contributing Editor, Windows IT Pro
He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.
Proverbs 13:20
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DennisMCSE
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 4:59:30 PM
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I have a Blackberry Torch and I have no issues with it. I don't sit and watch movies on my phone, so the fact that an iPhone has a retina display wasn't a big point in my decision to stick with the Blackberry. It does what I need it to do and the reception on phone calls is better than my friends that have iPhones and we've done a side by side comparison. And since a smartphone is a phone first, I stuck with the Blackberry because of that.
The other big thing that drives me crazy with my iPod Touch and my iPad is, no Flash. Say what you will about how much of a memory hog and battery drain it is, there are still millions of websites out there that still use Flash. And unfortunately, a lot of them are the websites I frequent, so that was another reason I didn't get the iPhone. It'll be years before the majority of websites will be HTML5 and people recode their sites.
Plus I know of a lot of people who aren't in a corporate environment, my Blackberry is my personal phone and not connected to the company BES, that still use a Blackberry and prefer it to the iPhone for similar reasons.
So I still don't believe that RIM will die out any time soon. People need phones for different reasons and those reasons don't always equate to an iPhone.
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Curt
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 5:05:03 PM
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I wonder if Windows Mobile 7 will dis flash and only support Silverlight.
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I have a Blackberry Torch and I have no issues with it. I don't sit and watch movies on my phone, so the fact that an iPhone has a retina display wasn't a big point in my decision to stick with the Blackberry. It does what I need it to do and the reception on phone calls is better than my friends that have iPhones and we've done a side by side comparison. And since a smartphone is a phone first, I stuck with the Blackberry because of that.
The other big thing that drives me crazy with my iPod Touch and my iPad is, no Flash. Say what you will about how much of a memory hog and battery drain it is, there are still millions of websites out there that still use Flash. And unfortunately, a lot of them are the websites I frequent, so that was another reason I didn't get the iPhone. It'll be years before the majority of websites will be HTML5 and people recode their sites.
Plus I know of a lot of people who aren't in a corporate environment, my Blackberry is my personal phone and not connected to the company BES, that still use a Blackberry and prefer it to the iPhone for similar reasons.
So I still don't believe that RIM will die out any time soon. People need phones for different reasons and those reasons don't always equate to an iPhone.
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Curt Spanburgh
Microsoft Certified Business Solution Specialist.
Dynamics CRM MVP
Contributing Editor, Windows IT Pro
He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.
Proverbs 13:20
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Pesos
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 5:11:57 PM
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It's not just about the iphone, that's just the beginning. Droid is kicking RIM's butt too. I didn't mean they are going away completely - hey some people out there still use Netscape :-)
Curt, MS has said they are backing HTML5 too. |
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 5:17:08 PM
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Curt, MS has said they are backing HTML5 too.
Beat me to it Wes. Read an interesting article on that yesterday. They are trying to ensure the Dev guys that Silverlight has not been a huge waste of time learning and developing. Apparently the Windows Phone will run on Silverlight. HTML5 is to act as a cross over to other devices and platforms. For now anyway. |
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Curt
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 5:18:35 PM
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Silver light is being used quite a bit on the CRM /XRM side.
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Curt Spanburgh
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He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.
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wobble_wobble
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 9:57:10 PM
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Blackberry phones will always have a place, no more that the 'Mammy and Daddy' phone with the big buttons and the 10K phones with the diamonds.
As long as RIM keep beating on the drum of security and the people with bombs want secure cheap and easy communications RIM, Blackberry and Skype will be around. |
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DennisMCSE
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 11:10:00 PM
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That's the point I was trying to make. I do see RIM's market share going down, don't disagree with that. But I don't see RIM dieing out any time soon.
I still know people who will only use a regular cell phone and don't want a smartphone, so there will always be varied needs for cell phone usage. Also, the market for smartphones is huge and is still growing, so there will even be a market for Windows Phone 7, which won't only take market share away from RIM, but also iPhone and Android. All depends on what a person's needs are and what phone meets those needs.
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joe_elway
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Posted - 11/06/2010 : 05:53:16 AM
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I've got a Blackberry for work. As a tool, it works very well. Battery life is around 4-5 days. It's easy to use. And it does all of the essentials that a business needs their employees to be able to do.
I'm new to the iPhone club. As a personal device, it beats the Blackberry by a mile. I spend up to 3 hours a day in commuter hell so it helps pass the time with movies, games, and social media.
If you gave me a choice between the two then I go with an iPhone/Android/WP7 handset. Most businesses will go with Blackberry -> but I'm seeing something new happenening. Our business is considered a switch from Blackberry to iPhone. Apparently the total cost of iPhone might be cheaper than that of Blackberry. I'm not involved in the financials so I don't have the details. |
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DennisMCSE
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Posted - 11/06/2010 : 2:32:43 PM
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If my circumstances were different and I had a long commute or, like Aidan, had a need to look at pictures with better definition, etc., then I would most likely go for an iPhone while commuting. But I have an iPad which is a better size to view stuff like that (and can't wait for the new iPad that is supposed to have the retina display). But I need a phone that's a good phone first and is good at keeping track of my email and calendar. And my Blackberry stores my podcasts and music as well if I have a need to listen to them.
At work, since we are moving to Exchange and all the Microsoft infrastructre, there is talk of allowing other phones on the network. But that won't be decided until our infrastructure is changed over. But they will only allow the change if they can lock down the other phones the same as they can lock down the Blackberry's.
The other thing I forgot to mention is that I love using BBM to communicate with my friends as it doesn't use up any of my data plan and I don't get charged SMS fees for texting.
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wobble_wobble
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Posted - 11/06/2010 : 4:29:34 PM
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No BBM over here....No PTT either. Nothing free over here...even thinking about free is going to get taxed in December.
Some of the places we support like the Blackberry because when the users travel, if poop happens its not a big deal to reconfigure the phone. Its 2 pieces of info from the user, one a well known piece of info, their email address.
From that, they get mail, apps, locked down config and live monitoring.
Not many other mobile devices have that ability...
Personally I'm not a BB fan and Aidan 4 to 5 days....I get maybe 2 days and all its for is migrations for sites with a BES.
I like Nokia's, wanted an iPhone when I heard about them first and hate the notion that we pay twice what every other country pays is bo**+&
Now wondering about the HTC HD2 as my PDF reader!
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joe_elway
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 10:21:45 AM
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Originally posted by wobble_wobble
Nothing free over here...even thinking about free is going to get taxed in December.
I think there's a green party carbon tax for talking about future taxes 
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I like Nokia's....
I used to prefer Nokias. Then I got an N85. I returned that sucker within a week. It was awful. It failed the most basic tests ... be easy to make a call and send texts. In fact - my one couldn't send texts because of a common issue with the handsets failing to read the SIM correctly. Now Stephen Elop is running the show up there and I *falls asleep cos Elop has that effect on me* |
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Pesos
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Rastor728
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 10:11:00 AM
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| Largest US Blackberry customer is the US Federal Government. As long as they are buying RIM will have a profitable market since the Feds hardly ever pay a discount. |
What would Clark Kent do to someone who stole his identity? |
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 10:25:49 AM
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Originally posted by Rastor728
Largest US Blackberry customer is the US Federal Government. As long as they are buying RIM will have a profitable market since the Feds hardly ever pay a discount.
We all know how much the US Fed Govt. takes performance and security as a top consideration. <g>
They would still be in WIN 98 if they had their way. Office 2010?!? Where did my talking paper clip go? <g> |
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DennisMCSE
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 10:38:35 AM
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From what I understand, the majority of new customers are individuals and overseas users, not just corporations and the government.
My current personal phone is a Blackberry Torch. From a lot of the friends I have, there are just as many Blackberry users (personal phones not company phones) as there are iPhone users. Don't actually know very many people with an Android phone even though that seems to be the biggest selling smartphone right now.
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 10:55:53 AM
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| Most of my friends have either an iPhone or Android based phone. I am one of the remaining Crackberry users. I have to admit the Storm has been a huge disappointment for me. Prior to that the Curve worked great. Our business just moved from BB to the Samsung Galaxy Android based phone. Good Bye BES Server..! I also noticed a LOT of people moving to US Cellular due to lower rates and same featured phones. Pepsi Co. just moved their entire user base to US Cell. The local Pepsi Co. I mean... Verizon has horrible coverage here, worse than even ATT. ATT is one of the highest rates in our area which is why I have not tried the iPhone. US Cell gets one I will be signing up. |
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Pesos
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 1:18:00 PM
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| My friends are roughly 50/50 iphone and android at the moment. I would say that my 30-40 yo friends are mostly iphone, with my 20-30 yo friends heavier on android. I'm on my 3rd iphone. The only thing keeping some of my friends on BB is the physical keyboard and BBM - but BBM now means less and less as their friends and family switch away from BB and Kik is available for both iphone and android. RIM can't hope to continue on with such a closed proprietary setup - they need to get these same apps going to remain relevant to younger folks. This is why I said "first nail" - they're certainly not going anywhere tomorrow - but the same could have been said about Palm back in the day and they got destroyed in a relatively short period of time... |
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Curt
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 2:53:54 PM
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There are so many BES servers out there and I wonder if it's going to be the in house tech folks who perpetuate the Black Berry usage in companies or are the "everyday consumer kindergarden apps" phones going to move the business infrastructure out of the way.
The big money is in the consumer market, because boloney is cheap.
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Curt Spanburgh
Microsoft Certified Business Solution Specialist.
Dynamics CRM MVP
Contributing Editor, Windows IT Pro
He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.
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Rastor728
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 2:56:26 PM
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On a positive note, all this switching does keep technology and mass economies moving.
On a negative note, we need more landfills for all the old phones.
Personally, when I am not at work I don't want to work so please keep the "smart" phone away from me!
I actually like things like Golfing, Fishing, Hiking without ANY kind of energized devices on (or near) my person! |
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aval
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 3:06:21 PM
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There are so many BES servers out there and I wonder if it's going to be the in house tech folks who perpetuate the Black Berry usage in companies or are the "everyday consumer kindergarden apps" phones going to move the business infrastructure out of the way.
Or the CEO aura of the Blackberry?
I said we should just get Windows Mobile phones (at the time, Active Sync wasn't licensed out to as many different firms as now - or I just didn't know about it).
We would have saved a bit of money on the BPS software (though now BESX is free - wonder why?).
But our leaders wanted Blackberries. |
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aval
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 3:10:29 PM
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OH!
I just got two iPhones to sync with our Exchange server.
A while ago, the first one (an older one) just would not work and I thought: "yeah, so much for iPhone supposed ActiveSync ability)".
More recently, the second one we tried worked (but took some doing) and the third one worked right away.
So I too wonder: why do we have this extra server (BPS)? |
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Pesos
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 3:13:55 PM
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| The free BES has limitations. They're just trying to stop the bleeding. |
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Playbook sounds like Failbook...
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21387
Yeah I was reading a couple of the same reports. Back to the drawing board is never a good thing. |
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first nail in RIM's coffin?
