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DennisMCSE
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joe_elway
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Curt
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 Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:21:47 PM
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I haven't tried it but, I am surprised they had the money to do this.
And why bother?
We have a virtualization leader and do we now need this?
When the software is very much free except for the best of the best then where is the need?
Perhaps for services?
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Curt Spanburgh
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Xenophane
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:23:29 PM
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joe_elway
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jadgate
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 2:13:53 PM
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You beat me to the punch on this one, was going to post.
Other than having gone to Linux, why would anyone go with Novell these days? I haven't seen anyone migrating to them. Last Novell network I worked on other than the Novell systems we have here, was a bank migration in 2002. I wonder if this will work out. On a totally unrelated note, did anyone see the analysis of the proposed Microsoft/Yahoo merger over the weekend, think it was in the NY Times? The article posed the scenario of Microsoft going after Oracle as a better merger, since they could benefit from Microsoft's total penetration into data centers, and Oracle's domination of the large E database/ERP market (Microsoft Dynamics on steriods?) The author argued that Microsoft needs to come to terms with Google, rather than trying to out-compete them...
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joe_elway
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 2:15:07 PM
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We have a virtualization leader and do we now need this?
If what you read on the tin is true, the Platespin P2V replication solution is very, very cool. From what I was told, it allows P2V DR sites, e.g. production might be physical machines and DR might be virtual and the DR machines are updated while the physical ones are running. I don't know if it really is that simple but it sounds really cool. Don't know if either VMware or MS can do that yet. |
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deandownsouth
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 3:03:26 PM
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joe_elway,
"I don't know if it really is that simple but it sounds really cool. Don't know if either VMware or MS can do that yet."
I have set up a numerous D/R instances using P2V software to take a snapshot to an off-site location. It really is that simple once it is setup; recovery is to simply power on the VM. Leostream is another P2V software and I like it because it requires no in-between server, it talks directly to the target host, be it VMware or Microsoft and it is a simple win32 executable that can run as a scheduled task.
As far as Novell goes, their moving to Linux via the SUSE purchase was probably the thing that saved them. I've done some engagements where the customers are using SLED on the back end with Xen vitualization for other SLED instances. As for Novell purchasing PlateSpin, with their P2V as well as PowerRecon, it gives Novell management of virtual systems, which I think all agree will be the differentiator for virtualization companies in the next few years. Novell has had its death knell tolled many times, yet they keep coming back.
One thing Novell has done a lot for is on the Linux desktop, with enhancements for OpenOffice.org and managing Linux for enterprises-something sorely missing on desktop Linux. Novell has standardized on a Linux desktop for all at their offices accept for those who must use a Windows system. SUSE as a business desktop is actually quite good.
Like the competition that Microsoft and Xen brings to VMware, keeping Novell around, especially in the data center, makes for more choices, and that's something I like a lot. |
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robsanders
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 11:37:13 AM
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deandownsouth
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Posted - 02/27/2008 : 11:46:56 PM
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If by management, you mean decoupling the VM from the host so that the host becomes irrelevent, allowing VMs to survive a host blowing up without any downtime, or upgrading all your host's OSes or upgrading their hardware all without any VM downtime, then I agree.
If it's just the interface or integration with some management platform, then no, that won't make a big enough difference since all the major management platforms already allow integration and provide ease of creation of VMs, monitor them, etc.
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Novell buys PlateSpin
Abso-freakin-lutely.